Is Betelgeuse About to go Supernovae?

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don’t be so gloomy. here’s the content you need:

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plodder wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:10 am don’t be so gloomy. here’s the content you need:

https://mobile.twitter.com/starstricken ... 3606515712
That's cool. Thanks for the link.
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cvb wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:31 am
plodder wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:10 am don’t be so gloomy. here’s the content you need:

https://mobile.twitter.com/starstricken ... 3606515712
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Dust, apparently, and originating from the star itself. (Someone tell Philip Pullman.)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... betelgeuse

Is it normal for star to kick out enough dust to hide it from view?
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I didn't follow that twitter link till now and I wonder if I misconstrued its talking about convection cells and starspots: is it actually possible to resolve any features at all of an object (even Betelgeuse-sized) 200 parsecs away? That seems impossible but I do keep finding myself having to recalibrate my boundaries of the possible.
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Martin Y wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 pm I didn't follow that twitter link till now and I wonder if I misconstrued its talking about convection cells and starspots: is it actually possible to resolve any features at all of an object (even Betelgeuse-sized) 200 parsecs away? That seems impossible but I do keep finding myself having to recalibrate my boundaries of the possible.
Betelgeuse was resolved as a disc using optical interferometry as early as the 1930's I think.

ETA 1920 apparently
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Thanks. <recalibrates>
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AMS wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:18 pm Dust, apparently, and originating from the star itself. (Someone tell Philip Pullman.)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... betelgeuse

Is it normal for star to kick out enough dust to hide it from view?
Whole galaxies do it sometimes.
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Gfamily wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:03 pm
Martin Y wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 pm I didn't follow that twitter link till now and I wonder if I misconstrued its talking about convection cells and starspots: is it actually possible to resolve any features at all of an object (even Betelgeuse-sized) 200 parsecs away? That seems impossible but I do keep finding myself having to recalibrate my boundaries of the possible.
Betelgeuse was resolved as a disc using optical interferometry as early as the 1930's I think.

ETA 1920 apparently
Here's an image from December.
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Betelgeuse is 55 milli arcseconds in apparent diameter.

The EHT observations of M87 and SgrA* have an angular resolution of 25 micro arcseconds, so could theoretically put 2000 pixels across Betelgeuse.

Unfortunately stars are really boring to look at in the submm-wave continuum. We get far more information from spectral line observations that don't fully resolve the disk of the star.
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dyqik wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:42 pm Betelgeuse is 55 milli arcseconds in apparent diameter.
I caught myself thinking "I know it's enormously bigger than the sun but 55mas at 200 parsecs; that would make Betelgeuse several times bigger than the entire orbit of the earth and... Oh. Wait. It is." Got the nagging feeling this was all familiar when I was young and I've got stupid. Guess I just haven't thought about in ages.
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