General Election 2019
General Election 2019
Let’s start this forum with a nice weighty topic eh? Plenty to discuss, not least Farage deciding not to contest with the Tories. Have the Remain Alliance provoked a degree of introspection not normally associated with Farage?
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I doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
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David Schneider wrote:As Nigel Farage takes £100 from would-be candidates before unilaterally deciding they won’t stand, Brexit Party members get to know what it really feels like to send significant sums of money to undemocratic, unelected leaders.
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I thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
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<Waves>P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pmI thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
It would be so easy to be rich if one had the moral integrity of Fromage
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Multiple sources say £100. James O'Brien asked a former Brexit Party candidate if he'd ask for his £100 back and someone who applied to be a candidate wrote up their story and said it was £100. That person said that while the Conservatives charge £250 that's only after they've gone through a process to ensure you're not wasting everyone's time with your application.P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pmI thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
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Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:59 pmMultiple sources say £100. James O'Brien asked a former Brexit Party candidate if he'd ask for his £100 back and someone who applied to be a candidate wrote up their story and said it was £100. That person said that while the Conservatives charge £250 that's only after they've gone through a process to ensure you're not wasting everyone's time with your application.P.J. Denyer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:45 pmI thought it was £200? But I could be wrong, certainly they required it with the application while other parties only ask for it when you've passed the interview stage and are accepted in principal as a candidate.Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
So I guess this means that the deal that Farage said wasn't Brexit last week is Brexit now?
(Bye the way, "Hello Everyone"!)
You're right it was £100, I think I got it mixed up with the other parties, who as was pointed out at the time charge it once you're accepted in principal to cover background checks (presumably UKIP charge about 40p).
Still, by getting the first point in my first post wrong I've started as I mean to continue... (And of course it's "By the way"... I blame the awful soft keyboard on the Fire 10 HD).
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And Farage isn't giving the money back:
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status ... 4631482368
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status ... 4631482368
Nigel Farage has told @eddiemair that he won't be giving the money back that he took off potential candidates. Here's my piece from earlier this year that exposed the process
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/07/19/weve ... -the-cold/
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I mean, there must be a mistake in the reporting of this, surely.
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'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.
https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654 ... 36?lang=en
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Tiny violins at the ready:Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
https://twitter.com/Wayne_BayIey/status ... 58690?s=19
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Oh dearshpalman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:47 amTiny violins at the ready:Fishnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:17 pmI doubt it's introspection as much as recognising it'll be expensive to fund that many campaigns and he'd rather keep the money for himself. Apparently prospective candidates had to pay a £100 non-refundable application fee and thousands applied.
https://twitter.com/Wayne_BayIey/status ... 58690?s=19
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Given the rebrand to Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats I thought I'd look up her voting record.
As far as I can tell she's a Yellow Tory, there seems to be very little 'Social Democrat' values left in the LD's.
Makes my vote easier to call - I'll be voting Labour.
As far as I can tell she's a Yellow Tory, there seems to be very little 'Social Democrat' values left in the LD's.
Makes my vote easier to call - I'll be voting Labour.
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She was a minister when she voted in much of that. Best to look at the manifesto.
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Yeah, not sure it's completely fair to judge the voting record from the coalition - dreadful though that episode was.
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And the second ten million, they were the worst too.
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Fortunately, our constituency is a Lab held marginal (narrowly won in 2017), so despite Labour's crap leader and his entourage, and despite the LD candidate being very able, it's going to have to be a Lab vote.TopBadger wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:20 amGiven the rebrand to Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats I thought I'd look up her voting record.
As far as I can tell she's a Yellow Tory, there seems to be very little 'Social Democrat' values left in the LD's.
Makes my vote easier to call - I'll be voting Labour.
I just have to trust that if they win they hold to their 'confirmatory vote' policy.
I know at least some pro remain LD supporters are looking to support their candidate in a neighbouring constituency.
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I say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
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A lot of our proEU group are writing to both Corbyn and Swinson calling for them to stop being negative about the other and their party, and pointing out that the only really important issue in this GE is to prevent a Conservative Brexit that will bugger up the country for a generation.Fishnut wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:30 pmI say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
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From the outside it looks like they're saying that they're far happier supporting the Tories than Labour under Corbyn.Fishnut wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:30 pmI say this as a LibDem member but I really wish the LibDems would stop attacking Labour. We need to be looking to build coalitions with the left, not alienate them. The fact that Sam Gyimah was happy to attack Labour councillors in a Conservative-dominated local authority but refused to attack the Conservative councillors for their role in the Grenfell fire speaks volumes. I've been very nervous about the influx of former Conservative MPs to the party and this only heightens my concerns.
Even if they're just being precautious after getting seriously burned last coalition, with the stuff around a 'caretaker' Govt. they were implicitly saying that they would rather see BoJo as PM than Corbyn.
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But AFAIK she has never given much of a mea culpa blaming collective responsibility, her public statements have always been along the lines of "the things I did in coalition I did because I believed in them".El Pollo Diablo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:38 amShe was a minister when she voted in much of that. Best to look at the manifesto.
As I say AFAIK.
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Rod Liddle drags the Spectator to an all time low
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/if- ... ds-voting/
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Paywalled.
And I'm not paying to read anything by Liddle. I think I can guess what he's saying tbh.
And I'm not paying to read anything by Liddle. I think I can guess what he's saying tbh.
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