Millennie Al wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:58 am
...government issued national ID card...
sTeamTraen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:18 am
It solves the problem of people, including the marginalised, being able to show unambiguously that they are entitled to whatever the law entitles them to.
But it doesn't do that. It merely moves the problem to the marginalised obtaining and paying for their ID. The system is quite capable of doing things like rejecting their photo for being too dark in a very biased manner which means that people with dark skin get photos rejected at much greater rate than people with white skin. And that will be blamed on the computer.
1. ID cards in all European countries are either free or issued for an entirely nominal fee.
2. All modern ID card systems are based on passport technology. Black people have passports.
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:58 am
The bit about identifying the purchaser. If I want to buy alcohol the shopkeeper only needs to know that I am at least 18. He does not need to know my name, address, or date of birth. So, for example, an age certification card might show my picture and a big "18" certifying that the person shown is at least 18. If it's intended to be used when I'm unkown to the shopkeeper and standing in front of him, there is no need to have any other information - especially information that could be recorded to be used for other purposes.
1. Can you name me any form of ID that is currently acceptable for buying alcohol in a UK supermarket than does not have, as a minimum, the holder's name and date of birth on it? (There is no need for an ID card to have your home address. Again, your passport doesn't.)
2. You show the card to the person on the till for 3 seconds. He or she reads the DOB and looks at you and the photo. No record is kept of the transaction. And again, *all this happens today*.
Millennie Al wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:58 am
On the contrary, when Priti Patel deletes the database, this provides extra grounds for deporting people since their ID cards must be forged since they are not in the system. It also provides extra grounds depending on how the cards work. If they're mandatory, for example, not having one is another offence to use to justify deporting them.
1. Again, modern ID cards are based on secure passport technology. If the government wants to deport me because "My card must be forged", it's up to them to convince a judge that it's forged.
2. If the cards are mandatory, the government will issue you with one, and keep a record it (you would sign to say you collected it). If you don't have one, that's the government's problem. They have to show that they took all reasonable steps to issue you with one.
Of course, you can then make up a world in which the government, the police, and the judges have all decided to deport whoever they like on a racist whim, but at that point we're not really having a discussion about ID cards any more.
I note that representatives of the 3.2 million EU citizens who have had to register to stay in the UK after Brexit are begging the government for some kind of non-electronic receipt of their registration, because at the moment all they have is an e-mail from when they filled in their details in an app.