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Re: Trump 2.0
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 8:24 am
by Chris Preston
Apparently the ceasefiee plan Trump agreed to includes:
• The lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions on Iran.
• Continued Iranian control over the strait of Hormuz.
• US military withdrawal from the Middle East.
• An end to attacks on Iran and its allies.
• The release of frozen Iranian assets.
• A UN security council resolution making any deal binding.
Trump even declared on his social media platform that had enough of the conflict.
This has been characteristic of a lot of Trump business deals. He tries to bully the other participants and when that does not work, he exits leaving others to tidy up the mess.
Re: Trump 2.0
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 11:49 am
by Martin Y
Everyone (US, Pakistan, Iran) says the ceasefire includes Lebanon, except Israel. It will be interesting to see if Trump can fix that.
Also, I was as alarmed as anyone else was until yesterday. I was also thinking of the Cuban missile crisis, though that was before I was born. It was when I remembered how many generals he had recently fired (presumably removing anyone who might demur) that I got seriously afraid.
The thing is though, now that Trump has announced this ceasefire, saying it's because Pakistan asked him to, it occurs to me he had that request in his back pocket all along while making his blood-curdling genocide threats. TACO had already decided to back off before he started threatening war crimes.
Re: Trump 2.0
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 1:56 pm
by jimbob
Fishnut wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2026 5:52 am
In the last few months he's threatened to take over an ally country, abducted a head of state and his wife (something that seems to have been forgotten about remarkably quickly) and started bombing another country without provocation.
At no point has he had any meaningful pushback, nationally or internationally. The press has spent the last few months trying to sanewash his increasingly erratic and dangerous actions and heads of state have been doing the same (whether out of incredulity, fear of what happens if they don't or what, I don't know).
Honestly I'm not surprised this is where we've ended up. The only thing I am surprised at is that both sides actually blinked. Trump needs to go but so does the entire system that has propped him up and allowed him to feel like he can act with impunity. We know there's going to be no meaningful punishment for him or anyone who's facilitated him and so does he which is why he's escalating like this.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, even more so when you start out corrupt.
Yup.
I think we can see how well checks and balances work when you give an individual kingly powers
Re: Trump 2.0
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 2:41 pm
by dyqik
Martin Y wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2026 11:49 am
Everyone (US, Pakistan, Iran) says the ceasefire includes Lebanon, except Israel. It will be interesting to see if Trump can fix that.
Also, I was as alarmed as anyone else was until yesterday. I was also thinking of the Cuban missile crisis, though that was before I was born. It was when I remembered how many generals he had recently fired (presumably removing anyone who might demur) that I got seriously afraid.
The thing is though, now that Trump has announced this ceasefire, saying it's because
Pakistan asked him to, it occurs to me he had that request in his back pocket all along while making his blood-curdling genocide threats. TACO had already decided to back off before he started threatening war crimes.
Meanwhile, Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz again, citing Israel's violation of the ceasefire.
Re: Trump 2.0
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 4:47 pm
by Martin Y
Oh. Super.