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Woodchopper wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:04 pm From the Guardian:

Earlier she met with the chair of the 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady, where they “agreed that there will be a leadership election to be completed within the next week”.

So they're not going to ask the party members to vote. Probably as they'd vote for Johnson.

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:27 pm

Woodchopper wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:04 pm From the Guardian:

Earlier she met with the chair of the 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady, where they “agreed that there will be a leadership election to be completed within the next week”.

So they're not going to ask the party members to vote. Probably as they'd vote for Johnson.

They've gone from asking the country who should be PM, to asking the party (which includes people not eligible to vote in the UK), to asking a few hundred politicians.

A big win for democracy and the UK's flexible constitution.

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:27 pm

Woodchopper wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:04 pm From the Guardian:

Earlier she met with the chair of the 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady, where they “agreed that there will be a leadership election to be completed within the next week”.

So they're not going to ask the party members to vote. Probably as they'd vote for Johnson.

They've gone from asking the country who should be PM, to asking the party (which includes people not eligible to vote in the UK), to asking a few hundred politicians.

A big win for democracy and the UK's flexible constitution.

Opti wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:38 pm It's being reported that Braverman and Badenoch will be standing.
The right-wing free-market headbangers haven't given up yet.

jimbob wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:30 pm https://mobile.twitter.com/oryxspioenko ... 0961154048

One for EACLucifer in particular

TopBadger wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:50 pm Guardian live feed reporting that Boris will stand

(presuming he has the support to stand)

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:53 pm Is the investigation into Boris's misconduct still going on?

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Also, Shetland is cut off from internet communications right now, as its undersea cable broke overnight.

Little waster wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:02 pm

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Also, Shetland is cut off from internet communications right now, as its undersea cable broke overnight.

That's what the Shetlanders want you to think, the reality is they've finally given up on the UK and have began rowing their islands to Norway to put as much distance between us as possible.

Woodchopper wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:04 pm From the Guardian:

Earlier she met with the chair of the 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady, where they “agreed that there will be a leadership election to be completed within the next week”.

So they're not going to ask the party members to vote. Probably as they'd vote for Johnson.

• If you are going to go for a lower tax and smaller public sector type of economy, you'd better first decide first which parts of the public sector you can get rid of, to make sure that we really don't need them, and that you have a politically feasible path for getting rid of them, or moving them into the private sector and so funding them directly from other sources (ie get people to pay for them direct). And establish that before you transfer the saving into a tax reduction.
• Truss's basic premise that Britain is a high tax economy is just false. At least in comparison to peers. You can find some well developed economies - such as Switzerland - that at first glance seem to have lower rates of tax. But that is they pay for health service through a compulsory insurance scheme that increases their effective tax as a proportion of gdp by 11%. When you add in the extra health service charges that actually exist in most of our peer nations, it becomes apparent that we are actually one of the lowest tax countries of our peers. Indeed, making that adjustment for the US and they aren't so different either.

Little waster wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:02 pm

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:59 pm
Also, Shetland is cut off from internet communications right now, as its undersea cable broke overnight.

That's what the Shetlanders want you to think, the reality is they've finally given up on the UK and have began rowing their islands to Norway to put as much distance between us as possible.

Little waster wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:56 pm

dyqik wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:53 pm Is the investigation into Boris's misconduct still going on?

Yes, so for the lulz they should announce him as the new PM just in time for the Standards Committee to expel him from Parliament causing the triggering of a recall by-election which he'd lose.

By that that point the National Anthem should have been changed to Yakety-Sax by acclamation!

IvanV wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:59 pm For example, maybe saying you can only stand if you get signed support from a sufficiently large number of MPs that only, say, Sunak could achieve it.

IvanV wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:59 pm For example, maybe saying you can only stand if you get signed support from a sufficiently large number of MPs that only, say, Sunak could achieve it.

lpm wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:26 pm

IvanV wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:59 pm For example, maybe saying you can only stand if you get signed support from a sufficiently large number of MPs that only, say, Sunak could achieve it.

No, doesn't work. Because the MPs are hopelessly split.

Even Sunak can't command a big enough voting block in round 1 to get past a large initial limit. He only got 24.6% in round 1 last time. Took till round 5 to get over 33.333%. Only ever had 42% at his peak.

The mad Boris bunch will get quite a high total. The mad Braverman bunch will get another chunk. Moribund fancies her chances. Badenoch will try. And someone from the list of narcissistic losers will try: Javid, Shapps, Zahawi, Tugendhat.

It's all very well saying "hey guys, let's all coalesce around one leading candidate" but nobody will listen. If you say "Got to have 25% support to make round one" then possibly even Sunak wouldn't make it, and almost certainly nobody else will. You can't coronationalise someone with only 25% support.

Either there's a runaway trend over the weekend towards Sunak, or it's back to being a f.cking mess. There's no sign of a runaway trend at the moment.