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To be clear, of course I don't know why he said that. He may have seen the data for the 16th in which there were only 152 new cases and imagined it was slowing down. There's a doubling time of about 3 days.
If Italy's exponential is actually slowing down thanks to all the restrictive measures (which are going to be extended through April, but aren't restrictive enough according to the Chinese personnel who have come here to help) then maybe there will "only" be a total of about 7000 deaths here, as compared to just over 3000 in Hubei.
No new cases in Wuhan today apparently.
If Italy's exponential is actually slowing down thanks to all the restrictive measures (which are going to be extended through April, but aren't restrictive enough according to the Chinese personnel who have come here to help) then maybe there will "only" be a total of about 7000 deaths here, as compared to just over 3000 in Hubei.
No new cases in Wuhan today apparently.
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Thanks for that.hakwright wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:45 pmFrom the recent Imperial college paper:Woodchopper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:34 amAnyone able to point me toward evidence of the length of time someone will be infectious before they are aware of any symptoms?
Quite literally asking for a friend.
"Infectiousness is assumed to occur from 12 hours prior to the onset of symptoms for those that are symptomatic and from 4.6 days after infection in
those that are asymptomatic"
Not necessarily the definitive word (references in the paper may well provide source for those assumptions), but probably a good bet.
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Extinction of the human race suddenly doesn't seem like such a bad prospect.Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:15 pmCOVID-19 challenge!
How many seconds of this can you bear to watch? I can get about 5 seconds in before my arse is so tightly clenched I'm in danger of being turned inside out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLPmMHX6eEU
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Same for my daughter and her house mates. All four have got symptoms and have been told to stay put by 111. Of course they won't be counted.
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Re: COVID-19
There's definitely a cohort of people out there that aren't even following the most basic advice about avoiding contact and social distancing.
I popped into my local town today to get some supplies from Wilko (all well stocked, plenty of soap options etc...same with the local ASDA) and I saw numerous folk who were clearly 65+ just walking around with their friends, spending cash (and receiving change) and not observing any distancing. One elderly man I saw joined the queue at Wilko behind a group of three school kids and stood about 6-inches away from them. Weirdly close in normal circumstances.
I saw another couple, probably in their 70s, shopping for wallpaper. Essential.
I popped into my local town today to get some supplies from Wilko (all well stocked, plenty of soap options etc...same with the local ASDA) and I saw numerous folk who were clearly 65+ just walking around with their friends, spending cash (and receiving change) and not observing any distancing. One elderly man I saw joined the queue at Wilko behind a group of three school kids and stood about 6-inches away from them. Weirdly close in normal circumstances.
I saw another couple, probably in their 70s, shopping for wallpaper. Essential.
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I’m going to wait for Len McCluskey to either confirm or deny.JQH wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pmAAAAAGH!
Encountered a post on FB claiming placing cut unions around the house will absorb viruses from the air and stop you caching the disease. Her mum did it during the Hong Kong flu epidemic you see so it obviously works.
Reported it as Fake News as there is no Wilfully Endangering Public Health option.
Calm yourself Doctor NotTheNineO’ClockNews. We’re men of science. We fear no worldly terrors.
Re: COVID-19
A friend, who is self-isolating with her family due to elder son having a high temp a week ago, went for a run yesterday lunchtime, because that's allowed as long as she stays away from other people and she needed some exercise. She had to cut it very short because, having gone along a normally very quiet stretch of canal towpath specifically so as to stay away from other people, she encountered a group of several dozen people on a group walk - the vast majority of them clearly in the 70+ age group and none of them even attempting to keep their distance from each other. FFS.headshot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:31 pmThere's definitely a cohort of people out there that aren't even following the most basic advice about avoiding contact and social distancing.
I popped into my local town today to get some supplies from Wilko (all well stocked, plenty of soap options etc...same with the local ASDA) and I saw numerous folk who were clearly 65+ just walking around with their friends, spending cash (and receiving change) and not observing any distancing. One elderly man I saw joined the queue at Wilko behind a group of three school kids and stood about 6-inches away from them. Weirdly close in normal circumstances.
I saw another couple, probably in their 70s, shopping for wallpaper. Essential.
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Re: COVID-19
Yep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
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Testing isn't the only way case data is gathered. For example we don't test everyone for flu but have really good surveillance methodology
see Weekly flu reports
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Yep, mostly ex-pat boomers here too. I think a few €1000 fines may sort that out in short order. The authorities aren't f.cking about here.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Time for a big fat one.
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"Like"OneOffDave wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:58 pmTesting isn't the only way case data is gathered. For example we don't test everyone for flu but have really good surveillance methodology
see Weekly flu reports
For a science forum, there's a lot of people here who know less about all of this that this here theatre producer.
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Oh well - them croaking early is one way to pass wealth down to the younger generation and free up housing stock - so it's not all bad.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
You can't polish a turd...
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
unless its Lion or Osterich poo... http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus ... -turd.html
Re: COVID-19
So? Plenty of us don't know these things and, speaking for myself, I am happy to be educated when I am incorrect.headshot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:08 pm"Like"OneOffDave wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:58 pmTesting isn't the only way case data is gathered. For example we don't test everyone for flu but have really good surveillance methodology
see Weekly flu reports
For a science forum, there's a lot of people here who know less about all of this that this here theatre producer.
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Re: COVID-19
How much will it affect voting demographics? Worst case scenario in the UK is supposed to be somewhere around 500K fatalities, mainly boomers. Not enough to swing much here. Several million dead in the USA could have an impact on the November elections, given that would mainly be in the Trump supporting population. Not wishing it, just noting.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:09 pmOh well - them croaking early is one way to pass wealth down to the younger generation and free up housing stock - so it's not all bad.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
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Re: COVID-19
Same here, everybody I've passed today has given everyone else a wide berth except for the elderly couple out for a bimble in the park who were walking abreast blocking the entire path pointedly ignoring everyone trying to stay clear of them, by walking in single file and onto the clarts.bagpuss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:42 pmA friend, who is self-isolating with her family due to elder son having a high temp a week ago, went for a run yesterday lunchtime, because that's allowed as long as she stays away from other people and she needed some exercise. She had to cut it very short because, having gone along a normally very quiet stretch of canal towpath specifically so as to stay away from other people, she encountered a group of several dozen people on a group walk - the vast majority of them clearly in the 70+ age group and none of them even attempting to keep their distance from each other. FFS.headshot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:31 pmThere's definitely a cohort of people out there that aren't even following the most basic advice about avoiding contact and social distancing.
I popped into my local town today to get some supplies from Wilko (all well stocked, plenty of soap options etc...same with the local ASDA) and I saw numerous folk who were clearly 65+ just walking around with their friends, spending cash (and receiving change) and not observing any distancing. One elderly man I saw joined the queue at Wilko behind a group of three school kids and stood about 6-inches away from them. Weirdly close in normal circumstances.
I saw another couple, probably in their 70s, shopping for wallpaper. Essential.
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Re: COVID-19
Yes apparently the garden centres are still full.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Also my landlord simply could not delay having blinds installed in our house today and his wife also could not avoid coming round to check the installers had put the right designs in the right place.
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Re: COVID-19
That crossed my mind too. Since just about the only way anyone can get a house in this country is to inherit one, an epidemic which targets the elderly might flood the market with houses and solve the housing crisis in a year.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:09 pmOh well - them croaking early is one way to pass wealth down to the younger generation and free up housing stock - so it's not all bad.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
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Little waster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pmSame here, everybody I've passed today has given everyone else a wide berth except for the elderly couple out for a bimble in the park who were walking abreast blocking the entire path pointedly ignoring everyone trying to stay clear of them, by walking in single file and onto the clarts.bagpuss wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:42 pmA friend, who is self-isolating with her family due to elder son having a high temp a week ago, went for a run yesterday lunchtime, because that's allowed as long as she stays away from other people and she needed some exercise. She had to cut it very short because, having gone along a normally very quiet stretch of canal towpath specifically so as to stay away from other people, she encountered a group of several dozen people on a group walk - the vast majority of them clearly in the 70+ age group and none of them even attempting to keep their distance from each other. FFS.headshot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:31 pmThere's definitely a cohort of people out there that aren't even following the most basic advice about avoiding contact and social distancing.
I popped into my local town today to get some supplies from Wilko (all well stocked, plenty of soap options etc...same with the local ASDA) and I saw numerous folk who were clearly 65+ just walking around with their friends, spending cash (and receiving change) and not observing any distancing. One elderly man I saw joined the queue at Wilko behind a group of three school kids and stood about 6-inches away from them. Weirdly close in normal circumstances.
I saw another couple, probably in their 70s, shopping for wallpaper. Essential.
If you want, there are photos of army trucks taking the dead bodies out of Bergamo last night because there were too many for the local cemeteries to cope with which you could show them.discovolante wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:49 pmYes apparently the garden centres are still full.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Also my landlord simply could not delay having blinds installed in our house today and his wife also could not avoid coming round to check the installers had put the right designs in the right place.
having that swing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for it meaning a thing
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D'oh! Onions not unions!Vertigowooyay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:33 pmI’m going to wait for Len McCluskey to either confirm or deny.JQH wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:04 pmAAAAAGH!
Encountered a post on FB claiming placing cut unions around the house will absorb viruses from the air and stop you caching the disease. Her mum did it during the Hong Kong flu epidemic you see so it obviously works.
Reported it as Fake News as there is no Wilfully Endangering Public Health option.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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It's the new equivalent of shaking your fist at 'itler and 'is bombs.discovolante wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:49 pmYes apparently the garden centres are still full.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Also my landlord simply could not delay having blinds installed in our house today and his wife also could not avoid coming round to check the installers had put the right designs in the right place.
Too much Daily Express turns people's heads.
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Re: COVID-19
I may just start coughing loudly in their general direction ...
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That half million could make a huge difference. A fair number of seats in the last GE that switched to the Tories do not have huge majorities so it wouldn't take many voters dying for them to switch back. Especially if the younger voters actually, you know, vote.bjn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:26 pmHow much will it affect voting demographics? Worst case scenario in the UK is supposed to be somewhere around 500K fatalities, mainly boomers. Not enough to swing much here. Several million dead in the USA could have an impact on the November elections, given that would mainly be in the Trump supporting population. Not wishing it, just noting.TopBadger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:09 pmOh well - them croaking early is one way to pass wealth down to the younger generation and free up housing stock - so it's not all bad.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Younger generations are naturally pissed off with what they see as boomer selfishness. Some of us oldies are equally pissed off with Millenial and Gen X apathy.
And remember that if you botch the exit, the carnival of reaction may be coming to a town near you.
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Re: COVID-19
You know, what this country needs is a good ...
... oh nevermind, as you were.
This place is not a place of honor, no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here, nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us.
This place is best shunned and left uninhabited.
Re: COVID-19
I was in Dobbies yesterday lunchtime (buying veg seeds - playing the long game) and it was pretty quiet.
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I've never had a landlord care so much about my interior decor. I dont even like them though.Martin Y wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:12 pmIt's the new equivalent of shaking your fist at 'itler and 'is bombs.discovolante wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:49 pmYes apparently the garden centres are still full.Bird on a Fire wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:51 pmYep, mostly seems to be boomers ignoring the restrictions here too.
Also my landlord simply could not delay having blinds installed in our house today and his wife also could not avoid coming round to check the installers had put the right designs in the right place.
Too much Daily Express turns people's heads.
And now i am going to have to go to court next week! This is great isn't it.
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